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We would be honored if you could take 5 minutes out of your day to vote for Ex-Wives Undercover as your favorite relationship podcast. Love, Athena and Amber :)
![[Melissa] Calculated Carl [Part 2 of 2]](https://getpodpage.com/image_transform_gate_v3/MUSQEVUbrH_xkDNejWZICLmyp7uUCAlWMUuCm7dWNNM=/?image_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs3.us-west-1.amazonaws.com%2Fredwood-labs%2Fshowpage%2Fuploads%2Fimages%2Ff9f4203b-2e2c-4623-9d75-e4b94b8f5e3d.jpg&w=1200&h=630&fill=blur "[Melissa] Calculated Carl [Part 2 of 2]")
We had so much fun chatting with Melissa about her Dirty John, Carl, that we had to have her back. This time, her and Amber dive deeper into the psychological components of dating someone like Carl and advice for how to break free from toxic relationships.
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